Tennis coaching
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Remaining sessions: 10 out of 14
Tennis, Music, Exercise, socialising with people, meet new people, burn hundreds of calories a session. The best hour of your week. GET READY TO WORK!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Premier Tennis Tots (pre-school): The most fun you will have on a tennis court… and that’s just the adults! Our engaging coaches lead this specially designed thematic programme to develop the FUNdamentals of agility, balance and coordination (ABCs). Parents are encouraged to join in the games and exercises to help better understand how their little ones develop these life skills which transfer far beyond the tennis court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Always wanted a killer topspin forehand or a slice a pro would be proud of? This high energy session is designed to offer a high volume of hitting opportunities to fine tune lost skills or develop new ones. More technical than tactical, this weekly session explores a range of shots and helps further equip you for when you next battle it out on court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with green balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 14
Performeance Squad 1 is our top Training Session for players competing locally and Nationally. This is an invite only session.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Played at School and want to start up again? New to the game and want to learn this great sport? Want to brush up on your technique? Want to gain some confidence on court? This is the session for you.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Premier Tennis Tots (pre-school): The most fun you will have on a tennis court… and that’s just the adults! Our engaging coaches lead this specially designed thematic programme to develop the FUNdamentals of agility, balance and coordination (ABCs). Parents are encouraged to join in the games and exercises to help better understand how their little ones develop these life skills which transfer far beyond the tennis court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange/Green! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange and green balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
This session is part of our Performance Pragram at the Club.
Players that attend any of our Performance Squads will use this session as part of their fitness weekly program.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Always wanted a killer topspin forehand or a slice a pro would be proud of? This high energy session is designed to offer a high volume of hitting opportunities to fine tune lost skills or develop new ones. More technical than tactical, this weekly session explores a range of shots and helps further equip you for when you next battle it out on court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Performeance Squad 2 is part of our Specialised Training Sessions for players competing locally and Nationally. This is an invite only session.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Always wanted a killer topspin forehand or a slice a pro would be proud of? This high energy session is designed to offer a high volume of hitting opportunities to fine tune lost skills or develop new ones. More technical than tactical, this weekly session explores a range of shots and helps further equip you for when you next battle it out on court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Played at School and want to start up again? New to the game and want to learn this great sport? Want to brush up on your technique? Want to gain some confidence on court? This is the session for you.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Premier Tennis Tots (pre-school): The most fun you will have on a tennis court… and that’s just the adults! Our engaging coaches lead this specially designed thematic programme to develop the FUNdamentals of agility, balance and coordination (ABCs). Parents are encouraged to join in the games and exercises to help better understand how their little ones develop these life skills which transfer far beyond the tennis court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange/Green! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange and green balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with green balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 14
Tennis, Music, Exercise, socialising with people, meet new people, burn 100s of calories a session. Best hour of your week. GET READY TO WORK
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Always wanted a killer topspin forehand or a slice a pro would be proud of? This high energy session is designed to develop new ones. More technical than tactical, this weekly session explores a range of shots, helps further equip you for when you next battle it out on court.and to offer a high volume of hitting opportunities to fine tune your skills
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
This session will be for match players, competent players who want to improve their skills on the match court for both singles and Doubles. Sarah will be on hand to give you advice and tips on all aspects of match play.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 14
Tennis, Music, Exercise, socialising with people, meet new people, burn 100s of calories a session. Best hour of your week. GET READY TO WORK
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange/Green! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange and green balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 14
Tennis, Music, Exercise, socialising with people, meet new people, burn 100s of calories a session. Best hour of your week. GET READY TO WORK
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange/Green! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange and green balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Played at School and want to start up again? New to the game and want to learn this great sport? Want to brush up on your technique? Want to gain some confidence on court? This is the session for you.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Tennis, Music, Exercise, socialising with people, meet new people, burn 100s of calories a session. Best hour of your week. GET READY TO WORK
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Played at School and want to start up again? New to the game and want to learn this great sport? Want to brush up on your technique? Want to gain some confidence on court? This is the session for you.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Tennis, Music, Exercise, socialising with people, meet new people, burn 100s of calories a session. Best hour of your week. GET READY TO WORK
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red/orange balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
A mixed group for those learning the basics and building on existing skills. Players are taught to rally, serve and score in a progressive and encouraging environment. As you develop these skills, your confidence and fitness will increase and open up further opportunities to play socially with a broader range of players.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
OK, you’re good… how do you get better? These sessions are designed to help you prepare for matches. You’ll be training with similar level players with attention on continuing to better understand the game. Sessions are more physically demanding and will challenge your decision making, technical capabilities, you’ll even get some great mental tips to keep cool under the pressure of competition.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Tennis, Music, Exercise, socialising with people, meet new people, burn 100s of calories a session. Best hour of your week. GET READY TO WORK!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Invitation only, if you feel your child is ready for Performaance tennis then please contact us.
Remaining sessions: 12 out of 15
Invitation only, if you feel your child is ready for Performaance tennis then please contact us.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Always wanted a killer topspin forehand or a slice a pro would be proud of? This high energy session is designed to offer a high volume of hitting opportunities to fine tune lost skills or develop new ones. More technical than tactical, this weekly session explores a range of shots and helps further equip you for when you next battle it out on court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 14
A mixed group for those learning the basics and building on existing skills. Players are taught to rally, serve and score in a progressive and encouraging environment. As you develop these skills, your confidence and fitness will increase and open up further opportunities to play socially with a broader range of players.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Invitation only, if you feel your child is ready for Performance tennis then please contact us.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Invitation only, if you feel your child is ready for Performaance tennis then please contact us.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Want to improve your Doubles and Singles tactics, positioning and skill set then this is the session for you. This is for players that are keen to improve their match play.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Always wanted a killer topspin forehand or a slice a pro would be proud of? This high energy session is designed to offer a high volume of hitting opportunities to fine tune lost skills or develop new ones. More technical than tactical, this weekly session explores a range of shots and helps further equip you for when you next battle it out on court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange/Green! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange and green balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Invitation only, if you feel your child is ready for Performance tennis then please contact us.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Here come the girls! This is a specially designed programme for girls learning the basics and building on existing skills in a fun, social environment. Players are taught to rally, serve and score, developing confidence and fitness and opening up further opportunities to play with a broader range of players at school and beyond.
Remaining sessions: 1 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange/Green! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange and green balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 9 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Premier Tennis Tots (pre-school): The most fun you will have on a tennis court… and that’s just the adults! Our engaging coaches lead this specially designed thematic programme to develop the FUNdamentals of agility, balance and coordination (ABCs). Parents are encouraged to join in the games and exercises to help better understand how their little ones develop these life skills which transfer far beyond the tennis court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange/Green! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange and green balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Tennis, Music, Exercise, socialising with people, meet new people, burn 100s of calories a session. Best hour of your week. GET READY TO WORK
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Always wanted a killer topspin forehand or a slice a pro would be proud of? This high energy session is designed to offer a high volume of hitting opportunities to fine tune lost skills or develop new ones. More technical than tactical, this weekly session explores a range of shots and helps further equip you for when you next battle it out on court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Premier Tennis Tots (pre-school): The most fun you will have on a tennis court… and that’s just the adults! Our engaging coaches lead this specially designed thematic programme to develop the FUNdamentals of agility, balance and coordination (ABCs). Parents are encouraged to join in the games and exercises to help better understand how their little ones develop these life skills which transfer far beyond the tennis court.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Invitation only, if you feel your child is ready for Performance tennis then please contact us
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Invitation only, if you feel your child is ready for Performance tennis then please contact us
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
A mixed group for those learning the basics and building on existing skills. Players are taught to rally, serve and score in a progressive and encouraging environment. As you develop these skills, your confidence and fitness will increase and open up further opportunities to play socially with a broader range of players.
Remaining sessions: 4 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Move over Federer, we’re ready for you! This is tennis on full size courts played with yellow balls and full length rackets. Players develop their skills, confidence, fitness and passion for tennis with regular competitive opportunities. Parents look on nervously as they realise they may no longer be the best player in the family!
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Premier Tennis Tots (pre-school): The most fun you will have on a tennis court… and that’s just the adults! Our engaging coaches lead this specially designed thematic programme to develop the FUNdamentals of agility, balance and coordination (ABCs). Parents are encouraged to join in the games and exercises to help better understand how their little ones develop these life skills which transfer far beyond the tennis court.
Remaining sessions: 2 out of 14
The road to Wimbledon starts here! A fantastic introduction to tennis, these entry-level beginner sessions are both active and engaging as players learn essential tennis skills on a ‘mini’ court with smaller rackets and larger, softer red balls. A great way to make friends, have fun and learn how to rally, score and compete, all in a safe environment with fully-qualified coaches.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Mini Orange! Rackets are becoming bigger and the orange balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
You’re getting bigger, your tennis is getting even better… Get involved with Green Ball! Rackets are becoming bigger and the green balls are slightly firmer. Players continue to develop a more skilful game, learning different shots with a tactical purpose but, above all, having lots of fun with friends.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Always wanted a killer topspin forehand or a slice a pro would be proud of? This high energy session is designed to offer a high volume of hitting opportunities to fine tune lost skills or develop new ones. More technical than tactical, this weekly session explores a range of shots and helps further equip you for when you next battle it out on court.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 12
An ever-popular mixed group afterschool club where the fun and learning continue through the day! Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 12
An ever-popular mixed group afterschool club where the fun and learning continue through the day! Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 1 out of 12
The best way to start the day! Bring the energy to this hugely popular mixed group breakfast club where the fun and learning set the tone for the day. Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
The best way to start the day! Bring the energy to this hugely popular mixed group breakfast club where the fun and learning set the tone for the day. Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 12
The best way to start the day! Bring the energy to this hugely popular mixed group breakfast club where the fun and learning set the tone for the day. Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 12
The best way to start the day! Bring the energy to this hugely popular mixed group breakfast club where the fun and learning set the tone for the day. Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 12
An ever-popular mixed group afterschool club where the fun and learning continue through the day! Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 12
An ever-popular mixed group afterschool club where the fun and learning continue through the day! Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 2 out of 12
An ever-popular mixed group afterschool club where the fun and learning continue through the day! Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 12
An ever-popular mixed group afterschool club where the fun and learning continue through the day! Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Remaining sessions: 11 out of 14
Performeance Squad 1 is our top Training Session for players competing locally and Nationally. This is an invite only session.
Remaining sessions: 10 out of 12
The best way to start the day! Bring the energy to this hugely popular mixed group breakfast club where the fun and learning set the tone for the day. Sign with friends or make new ones, and develop those ABCs (agility, balance and co-ordination) which are essential for tennis and helpful for other sports - all overseen by our fully-qualified coach.
Sessions: 1
Team Training for our Ladies and Mixed Masters Team Players
Sessions: 1
Team Training for our Ladies and Mixed Masters Team Players
Sessions: 1
Team Training for our Ladies and Mixed Masters Team Players
Sessions: 1
Team Training for our Ladies and Mixed Masters Team Players
Sessions: 1
Team Training for our Ladies and Mixed Masters Team Players
Sessions: 1
Team Training for our Ladies and Mixed Masters Team Players
Remaining sessions: 5 out of 6
A monthly coaching session for all 1 and 2 Club Team players
Sessions: 5
Tennis Products
Our range of Tennis products are a great way to develop skills playing with and against others in a group of a similar standard. Our LTA -qualified coaches make sure each player receives individual input whilst the group strive to achieve the overall goals of the session. These group sessions allow a real team environment to develop and contributes to many players lasting love for tennis through meeting other like-minded people and finding a fun way to develop skills and have friendly competition.
One-to-one coaching
If you want to have an intense session just with you and the coach this is the right thing for you. Just fill out our form and tell us where an when you would like to play, We will come back to you as soon as possible.
Our coaches
We’re serious about our coaches. It is a privilege to share knowledge and help people realise their potential, and we want this to be a fun and rewarding experience for everyone involved. We've seen that people learn better and faster if they enjoy themselves too (otherwise, we might as well be playing golf!)
